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Post by Alethia on Jun 10, 2016 14:41:36 GMT -5
It has been a lifelong dream of mine to live in a society of Stoic lifers. I didn't have a name for it till a few days ago, just the idea. Science oriented (similar to a Stoicistic view of Physics to include Theology) and sustainable in lifestyles, culture, and adaptation based on actual human, Stoic, potential. I've come up with a structure for such a society but while I look for ways to make it a reality.. and to confirm that I do see it from cradle to grave.. I was wondering if one wasn't already out there. (Think Star Trek Federation.)
Has anyone thought or even heard of such a thing?
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Post by Alethia on Jun 13, 2016 12:58:16 GMT -5
Realized I write for like minds with high reading comprehension skills, 182 I.Q. plus (axiomatic metaphors struck again, I.E. - test maker sucked), as if everyone looks for the best values in available concepts an only focuses on those values. (Note: "Think Star Trek Federation." could you pull out the relevant function values from the ideologies?) It is all I care to do and since the world is stuck walking backwards my use of contemporary concepts derails them from their potential to walk with me long enough to hear me out. (A.K.A. Look where I am pointing instead of looking at my clothes.) When contemporary is the only form they chose to work with then natural reasoning goes out the window. So I figured one must study the audience to find their systems of logic, relevant sophisms, and sources for Purpose to discover their individual lexications to find ways to bridge the gap. .. I've done this since I was a child and got ridiculously good at it, accurately predicting every action and minute decision days in advance. But was never able to bridge the gap as the value of the bridge was never realize by fate or could only be believed as non-existent by the other party. Chasing the problem to its root has led me down a lonely path as the effort itself forces one to grow in understanding of the concepts used by others to the Nth degree. To this date I find it nearly impossible to make friends because I know too much, when they see I see too much or act suspicious because I am hiding the fact things get even more complicated.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? Unable to find a career path because a side effect is that you learned to enjoy studying Everything by studying others as well as I did. Nth degree... when I discovered, first hand, the actual boundary of the epistemological realm at 17 a week later I realized I had the qualifications to figure out how the mind worked. Father, who dissuaded me from my dream as a race care driver(I was 5, I would have been great), a devout scientific baptist conservative, believed to pursue the mastery of the mind only drove people mad as God was the only answer and to even try was to disgrace him. Don't ask why, the construct for his concept 'God' is defined as "That which the bible says God is contrasted against the view of the church and with any necessary amendments as ordained by 'God'." (AKA - axiomatic metaphor ..probably the most destructive one I know.) So I never told him, couldn't even ask and asking others only pushed me away.
Alone. Oh I had modern friends, the only way to make them was not to look.. (don't ask, I was exploring without a guide, none existed and nothing went too far) I was around 20 when my pursuit led me to better explore philosophy, Objectivism -the philosophy of Ayn Rand first. Mother introduced me to Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and it touched on most everything I was working on and offered a coat of ethics I could sink my teeth into. So I read everything she had ever written to the best of my ability. It was my first experience with someone's attempt to write their own Lexicon using their own lexication and was exciting. "Man as a heroic being." still rings a sexy sound when I pick at it. But as I went deeper and deeper I saw more and more problems. I wrote to head of ARI Leonard Peikoff several times in search of answers with the hope of a desperate pioneer seeking the water's source that everyone needs that they too were seeking perfection and only received a letter stating, "Please see a doctor for the problems you've described. Please do not write again." on ARI stationary signed by some sort of secretary. I realized then that not only were they not seeking the same but that they could not see that they were everyone's problems. They were happy with their stagnant pond, it seems the stink to them was proof of it's value.
Alone still. I set off with new vigor to find the truth. Having moved around so much as a child I never developed 'roots' as its called so I moved from place to place as suited my efforts. Building water towers, day labor, general construction, retail.. it didn't matter where I was, I never stopped working.. even in sleep. The benefit of a nomadic life was never to be trapped in a lifestyle that forced me to habituate local sophisms and intellectual customs. The downside it is like being in a sensory deprivation tank for decades on end depriving one from the sense of belonging and after over two million miles and thirty years.. I am just here. 'Home' as an illusion. When I lose my current residence in a few months I plan to live out of my truck working day labor.
The most painful part it that over the years I found the source of water. Being ignorant of mathematics I am unable to drink it but, as a logician I am able to swim in it and have been washed away many times. As the latest event led me to write this I see I need help. I have washed out many years now and even found the edge of the delta and am exploring more now. Have I spent too many years searching without a break? .. don't think such a thing exists after years of trying ... now I am both lost and alone?
Somewhere along the way I think I picked up a basis for perception where the act of perceiving is being? Becoming? Have I confused perception with intuition? Lost action in time? Confused truth with reality, global view with my view, self-actualization with being? Why do I stop myself? The door is open yes? I could swear I know what to do? Can I?
WTF!
How can I function like this? If only there was already a true lexicon for a true language. .. I'll have to make one one day. I hate english today.
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Post by Alethia on Jun 14, 2016 11:57:11 GMT -5
So the part I haven't mentioned is what happened when I was around 5 that essentially led me to where I am.
I had some problem about socialism.. I remember arguing with.. my little brother? about what was observed. Both of us using anger to express that it could not be seen the way the other declared it to be. In effort to rectify the issue I went to the best source of information I had, Mom. But Mom, as with most adults, believed that children where lovable silly little creatures that did strange and silly things to figure out how to be human. Knowing this and recognizing that I, being a child, simply worked with what was available to learn and when I ask what is considered to be a college level question the adults assume it is a coincidence and respond as such. "That's something you will learn when you grow up." or they will pick at your limited verbal skills or they will approximate what they think you are 'really' asking and answer that. So I carefully structured my question around common phrasing to sneak past that barrier and succeeded.
Her answer, that which I am trying to recall by writing this, was amazing. Not that it was the right or wrong answer but it was the first time I saw genuine, unbiased, non-indoctrinated thinking style on her part, raw so to speak. It took several seconds as her gaze lifted higher and more distant with an expression of simple interest turning to one of pure concentration. Then like a spark her eyes lit up in surprise, too soon, I'm not sure how I knew but when she started to answer I realized she remembered something she read or was taught.. what ever it was it was pulled from the world of adults that even to me now makes no sense, not build on truth.
Studying the answer, which at the time I knew was wrong and I'm pretty sure I was right.. It was all I had. Crap I wish I could remember. I remember seeing that it functioned, that it would send me down a rabbit hole, and that I needed to remember where I was prior before jumping into this new form of observational logic? I remember simulating the system and observing all perceived entities swirling into a black vortex including the act of observation. What was that logic, I still use it now I am sure but I.. I.. ... am I trying to use it to get out of it? is it possible?
What makes one use other's observations and/or perspectives as part of your own on a fundamental level as in as seen as how the mind works? How all minds work? How reality works... I think that was closer to it.
I think I remember the answer was to solve the basis for another about observed reality. ..
I remember afterwards everything was different. Behaviorally I had become passive, empathic, introverted, exploratory but I had lost something. I think that is what I am missing now. In hindsight it seems I am easily blindsided by aggression, empathicly gullible, and cannot function as myself without being seen for who I am as to include the use of an infinite pov system of reality. Suppose you could say I am using some sort of floating point algorithm for one's Self's perspective? Hard to tell if it seems to me to be .. I lost it..
Lost is an understatement to the now-where man.
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Post by Alethia on Jun 15, 2016 9:16:20 GMT -5
Figured it out, memories don't exist as I thought they did. Whodathunkit.
I'd tell you more but I am tired of talking to myself.
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Post by Guest Speaker on Mar 19, 2020 15:47:10 GMT -5
You are not making yourself pin down any of your own concepts. Your mind is springing off of itself uselessly. You are having too many fleeting conceptual interactions with yourself. You have not studied anything and made your mind stable. I've been there. Not for as long as you seem to have. But your intellect is useless, my friend. I only hope you have the faculty of reflection and can make your thinking more careful. You do not understand others nor yourself.
Good luck with your mind.
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